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1. Filter chokes for "choke input" or LC filters in power supplies.

Fig 1, "Traditional" 2011 choke input + rectifier + following LC filter,

Fig 2, "Modern" 2011 choke input + rectifier + following RC filter,

Fig 3, Other 2007 choke input + rectifier + LC filter.

2. Design Method for Choke in LC PSU, steps (1) to (20),

Table 1, Wire size table for sizes of available 200C temp rated polyester-imide magnet winding wire.

Fig 4, "Wasteless pattern" E&I lamination size relationships & details for L, H, T.

Table 2, Properties of chokes with T32 and S = 6.3mm to 64mm.

Other related pages :-

Basics about inductance and chokes, inductance test circuit, Comparison of CRCRC

filters with CLC filters, Choke Design Method for CLC filter, go to

For chokes used for dc supply to anodes, cathodes, go to

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Choke input power supplies also known as LC input supplies have been the best old fashioned

or traditional way to build a Vdc rail supply, especially where the current draw will vary by a factor of

10 or more as is the case with a power supply for a class AB, B or C amplifier.

A "choke input" basically has a HT winding with CT followed by two diodes, or a HT winding

with a four diode bridge with diodes connecting to a choke in series with a capacitance shunting

a load where Idc changes during normal use. The choke usually has more maximum inductance and

is larger than used in a CLC type of filter, but also has low winding resistance.

Rectifiers for high voltages were usually vacuum tube or mercury vapour diodes with limited peak

current abilities but with very adequate reverse voltage tolerance. With the advent of silicon diodes

which cost 1/100 of a tube rectifier, the choke input PSU has become fallen from widespread use

because of the cost savings possible by not using large heavy input choke and vacuum diodes.

Modern high value capacitors are now very cheap and reliable.

However, I sometimes found the choke input supply to provide a solution where one wishes to use

a HT winding of a given transformer where otherwise the B+ Vdc gained by Si diodes charging a

capacitor directly would be much too high.

Fig 1 shows diodes charging capacitor C1 with continuous current through L1. L2 + C2 filter the B+

output which feeds the two OPT in a stereo amp with two 50W channels with 6550 or equivalents.

The L1 + C1 form a simple a second order filter with low F pole at 3.3Hz, which is also the Fo for the

10H and 235uF. L1 is designed to have inductance = RL / 900 in Henry where RL = B+ Vdc / Idc minimum

which in this case 44mA, So minimum RL = 11.4k so max L = 12.6H.

As Idc increases to a possible maximum of 385mAdc, the L1 inductance should decrease to about 6H.

This choke L1 is known as a "swinging choke". At the idle current of 230mAdc, expect L1 = 10H.

L2 is a smaller choke to provide additional filtering at C2. The Fo of L2 + C2 = 6Hz. There is no

added resistance between L2 and C2 to provide damping of 6Hz resonance signals. The load at

the output of tubes plus bleeder resistance of 12k0 is not low enough to provide Fo damping.

Resonances at 3Hz from L1 + C1 will also appear at C2. Amplifier gain will be -3dB at 10Hz and

-12dB at 5Hz, so the amplifier will not excite much resonance at C2. The slight very low frequency

ripple in the B+ rail will not cause much IMD because the PP output stage has good CMR for signals

applied to the OPT CT.

The HT winding plus diodes establish an ac voltage of mainly 100Hz with even order harmonics

plus a Vdc content of 0.63 x Peak voltage of HT Vac. This is the *average* voltage present of the

100Hz V peak to peak which sits above the 0V rail as shown in the bottom left wave diagram.

The HT winding is a 583V - 0 - 583V winding with CT and each side of the CT primary delivers

60VA of power to make a total of 120VA delivered to L1 choke. +822Vpk is produced after the

diodes at L1 input. There is approximately 280Vrms of 100Hz signal applied to L1 input with about

15% of even order THD product. The L1+C1 and L2+C2 filters allow the LF content below 6Hz

and DC current to flow through to the amplifier load while 100Hz + harmonics are blocked by the

choke's high reactance at 100Hz, and while low reactance of C1, C2 shunt the signals

above 6Hz. The +500Vdc at 230mAdc at C2 will drop to about +485Vdc at Idc of 385mAdc if

we estimate the PSU resistance before the amplifier is a total of 100r. The choke input filter gives

fair regulation of the B+ output voltage where the current may vary from the idle condition to 2

times the idle current. Regulation depends on transformer and choke winding resistances and

diode resistances. The high peak current charging of the CLC filter do not occur. The diode charge

current flows continuously, so power dissipated in the HT winding is 30% less than in a typical

CLC supply providing the same VA. If no tubes are connected, the only Idc flow is the 44mAdc

through the bleeder resistance but this keeps the max Vdc at C2 down to about +540Vdc.

The choke input supply ripple voltage will be higher L1 + C1 for the same amount of total L and C

used in a C-L-C filter. Despite its limitations, choke input supplies have admirers because the

continuous current flows do not produce switching pulses around ground paths and transformer

windings remain silent. The available HT supply voltage at the power transformer suits a wanted

lower Vdc to be produced. The regulation possible with tube diodes is acceptable and the tubes

do not exceed their limited current ratings. In this example I expect to get 500Vdc from a 583Vrms

transformer winding which is a Vac to Vdc conversion factor of 0.86. In practice, due to winding,

I would be lucky to see exactly what I have shown above.

The function of the bleeder resistors of 2 x 6k0 ensure Idc = approx 44mA without the amplifier

connected. The B+ voltage may rise to about +540Vdc when Idc = 44mA. But as Idc is reduced

further the B+ will rise to the peak HT Vac which is +822Vdc when Idc = 0.0mA. In fact, without a

bleed resistor, there would be 3.6mAdc through the 220k across each 470uF capacitor.

All choke input filters will produce a "soaring B+" when the Idc is very low.

Now the input plus driver tubes plus any other R across caps etc will draw 75mA for both channels

and this is enough current to provide a bleeder current to stop the B+ soaring even if there are no

output tubes connected. Therefore in this case the bleeder R is optional, but we would want to make

sure all parts of the circuit will withstand +822Vdc applied until the tubes warm up and begin to

conduct their idle Idc. To stop soaring B+ even for the short period after turn on and to avoid

wasting 42mAdc of flow in the bleeder R there could be separate PT for the tube heaters and

bias supply and this is turned on by the on switch. 30seconds later the PT for HT is turned

by a delay circuit controlling a relay in the 240V winding. This would be the most traditional

approach without using the kind of immediately active solid state bleeder circuit I show in Fig 2

below to better manage the On-Off behavior. Bias failure protection could be powered by

the twin mains transformer option by turning off the HT if Idc in any one tube remains above

twice the idle value for longer than 4 seconds.

Fig 2 shows a slightly different choke input PSU with slightly more modern attributes.

The general working is the same as Fig 1. The L1 choke used is designed to have high inductance

under low current idle conditions, but when current is increased from 230mAdc to 385mAdc

the B+ voltage drop may only be 17Vdc.

There are some modern tricks used in Fig 2. There is a diode bridge, very easy with Si diodes,

so the the HT winding uses thicker wire and 1/2 the turns of a CT winding which is easier to do.

There is also a 0.25uF plus 68r across L1 which causes L1 to about double its impedance at

100Hz due to damped parallel resonance. The value of 0.25uF is chosen for the value of the

L1 inductance at the idle current condition. At less Idc than at idle, the L1 inductance will rise

and Fo will drop below 100Hz, and with Idc at 385mAdc, L1 may be 6H so Fo will move

above 100Hz, but this is no problem because in practice the Idc will not much change because

most audio power is created by class A action of the OP tubes. But the reduced 100Hz ripple

reduction is always welcome, and achieved at minimal cost.

There is no need for L2 and 50r resistance will give an attenuation factor of about 1/6 of V ripple.

The use of the 50r & C2 filter instead of LC filter will provide damping of resonance in L1 & C1.

The Vripple will be higher than for LCLC type of filter in Fig1, but Vripple will be low enough at C2.

The input driver stages will have another RC filter for their B+ rails so filtering will be OK.

Q1 and Q2 are a pair of HV rated darlington pair connected transistors. You could use two HV

mosfets for the same same thing. The SS devices are connected in series to distribute the high

B+ Vdc rail voltage so the maximum possible Vdc between collector and emitter is +275Vdc

if the B+ rail was +550V. The 2k5 x 50W rated resistors may allow a maximum of 100mAdc

to flow through transistors with B+ = +503Vdc and the transistors will turned on fully and have

very low voltage across them so will be cool while resistors are hot. If I = 50maMadc, the Pd in

each 2k5 and in each darlington pair transistor = 6.3W.

Fig 3 shows a combination of choke input plus following LC filter in the classic LCLC arrangement

used in many older designs for where tubes operate in class AB with low bias currents.

However, perfectionists who like quiet rail voltages can use it for their class AB hi-fi amp with high

bias currents and where Ia does not vary much in practice.

Fig 3 shows the input choke L1 and following choke L2 in the ground rail rather than in the B+ rail.

I have never found the placement of chokes in the B+ rail to work any better than being in the ground rail.

Such choke placement means the choke windings are at a slight negative dc voltage potential and thus

there is less voltage across insulation between windings earthy core iron. The actual 0V connection

can ONLY be made where I have indicated, or else the benefits are entirely negated. The wave form

after the diodes and at the input to the L1 choke is indicated, and is an inverted wave form compared

to when the L1 is placed in the B+ rail.

The ripple voltage at bottom of C2 is less than 0.2Vrms, and if L2 was omitted, and C2 paralleled with

C3, then ripple at B+ would be less than 0.1V, and quite OK for PP amps.

However, for SE amps 100mV of ripple may be too high, and the two LC sections are useful although

an RC section after L1&C2 where R = 50r as indicated in Fig 2 usually reduces Vripple enough plus

damps unwanted LF resonance. With SE amps PSU regulation is not critical because the Idc from PSU

to OPT remains constant.

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It is difficult to make a choke for LC input which will be mechanically quiet. LC input chokes

tend to hum with vibration because of the high amplitude voltage of twice the mains frequency

plus harmonics which is applied across the choke. So the choke must not saturate because of the

combined dc current magnetization and the applied ac current magnetization. This type of choke

should be potted after being very well varnish impregnated to stop winding or core movements.

Potting will stop most stray radiated magnetic fields and quieten them. The varnishing is very

important to prevent windings moving because of the high AC voltage applied.

In 2004, I re-engineered a customer's Phase Linear 700W transistor amplifier. This amp had

+/- 87Vdc rail voltages which were too high for reliability. The existing PT was noisy, and heat

sinks seemed far too small. The customer had no need for 700W capability, but insisted on high

current ability. I wound two chokes of about 0.35H for each + rail and -rail. These were well

varnished and potted with roof pitch in 1mm sheet steel cube shaped boxes with a side length

of 90mm. The power transformer had a CT sec winding with 62V- 0 - 62V and there was

a 35A rated diode bridge. I obtained +/- 55Vdc which gave plenty of power. The PT noise

became negligible. The resulting "Phase Turner" amp has remained a very fine sub-woofer amp

for the last 7 years so far. Recordings of the Space Shuttle taking off rattled the windows.

If you insist you want a choke input filter, there are basic rules.

where RL = Vdc output / dc current at the minimum current.

The choke value is called the critical choke value. Choke input PSU were often used for class AB

tube amps where the anode input current flowing into the output stage may have varied enormously.

The current flowing into the C1 reservoir cap through the choke L1 is continuous in each 1/2 wave

cycle. There is no heavy peak charge current over a small fraction of the wave cycle at the peak of

the wave as there is with a capacitor input CLC PSU. The LC input allows vacuum tube rectifiers

to be used and in high power and high voltage applications, use of mercury vapour vacuum tube diodes

such as 866 were good with a following class AB amp of kilowatt capability. The minimum and

maximum dc current flows must be known, and for some old fashioned amps the minimum current

is taken to be 10% of the maximum which will be calculated and become known. With LC inputs

The minimum must be allowed to flow even when output tubes are biased right off, as in the case

of a real class B or class C RF amp.

Unless there is some minimum current flow which is called the "bleed current", the B+ Vdc can

soar to the full value of 1.41 x the HT winding Vrms voltage, possibly stressing other components or

insulation layers especially if the DC voltage exceeds 1,000V when corona effects can start arcing

in amplifiers.

In about 2005 I completely re-engineered a very poorly designed CR Audio Developments

"Woodham" 5050 stereo amp with a pair of PP channels with KT88. The original amp had HT

transformer voltage of 487Vrms and the cap input with Si diode bridge gave up to +650Vdc.

This powered a very poor imitation of the McIntosh style of output stage. One could only get 40

Watts of audio for a short time before smoke arose from this horrid amplifier. The anode to anode

loading was found to be about 1/3 of the correct value for such a high B+ voltage.

I found I had a choke which could be suitable. So after a few tests I potted it and got B+ of +430Vdc

at the at the reservoir cap after the choke at full current draw. I converted the amp to 50% UL

because the toroidal OPTs had 4 primary windings which could be re-arranged. I got 45 reliable

Watts at about 1/5 of the THD/IMD and better damping factor with revised loading for the OPT etc.

I made a solid state shunt regulated supply for input tubes which ensures 30mA is

drawn right after switch on so B+ does not rise above +450Vdc, and as the output stage current

begins to flow to a normal level of 250mA, the shunt regulator reduces its bleed current "wastage"

of energy, and B+ remains steady at +420V despite the huge change in current.

In this amp, when Idc = 30mA, RL = 450V / 0.03A = 15,000 ohms. To ensure the choke would

work with low current to keep +Vdc less than +450V, the choke should have had a maximum L

value = 16.7H. The choke only had 9H at 30mA. At 250mA, when the amp load reduced to 1,680

ohms, the choke inductance fell to about 4Henrys due to the heavy DC flow. The result was that

the "knee" of the regulation "curve"

wasn't sharp, and at low Idc the voltage at the PSU tended to soar above +500V. With a choke in

a CLC supply, the Bdc can be allowed to be quite high at the highest Idc, because the Bac is

quite negligible. But in the choke for LC input, the Bac is MUCH greater, and for most amps we

should make sure Bdc = Bac = 0.6Tesla maximum, for maximum Idc. Thus the choke for LC

input is always going to be larger than the choke for CLC.

There is a simple remedy for where there is only 1/2 the wanted maximum critical inductance.

An R+C Zobel network is connected across the choke so that the L and the C value have a

resonance at the ripple frequency where the L value is slightly above where Idc is minimum.

I placed a 0.33uF cap plus 100 ohms for a Zobel network across the choke when its value = 8H,

so that the cap and the L were resonant at near 100Hz. The effect was quite remarkable,

and this choke plus Zobel acted almost identically to a choke of 16H, or twice what I had,

and B+ soaring was prevented, and Vdc better regulated, and a low bleed current was required.

So if one wants 250mA maximum, bleed current should be at least 25mA.

For best natural B+ regulation, the power transformer and choke should have low winding

resistances. If the choke was 50ohms, the change in current of 200mAdc would cause an

unavoidable drop of 10Vdc. This isn't bad, but never use a choke of 500 ohms! It will

smoke, and regulate poorly.

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Now let us consider the design of a choke L1 in Fig 2 where there will be +435Vdc at C1, and

300mAdc maximum continuous with LC input filter. Let us design the choke without reliance

on a Zobel resonant RC network across the choke to improve 100Hz filtering at low Idc levels.

The Zobel may be added to the circuit upon completion to not only improve 100Hz noise rejection,

but to provide a resistance load at switching frequencies to damp diode switching transient emf

which could apply excessively high voltages to the power transformer insulation. If the maximum

L is available is thus sufficient, and the Bdc at full current still permits the choke to work as a pure

inductance without ac saturation, the choke is well designed. The dc current density should not

exceed 2A/sq.mm at maximum Idc.

(1) What is the wanted range of DC currents at the nominal B+ Vdc rail?

What is the range of load values supplied by power from the power supply?

Idc min = 30mAdc, Wanted B+ at C1 = +435V, Maximum RL = Vdc / Idc = 14,166r.

Idc max = 300mAdc, Expect Vdc = +425V, Minimum RL = Vdc / Idc = 1,417r.

(2) Maximum allowable Rw = Minimum RL / 30.

Rw = RL minimum / 30 = 1,417r / 30 = 47r.

(3) Maximum wanted L.

L max = max RL / 900 = 14,166r / 900 = 15.7H.

(4) Minimum wanted L.

L min = min RL / 900 = 1,417r / 900 = 1.57H

(5) Maximum Cu current density = 2A / sq.mm, For 2A / sq.mm, Cu dia = 0.8 x sq.rt I, d in mm, Idc in Amps.

Cu dia = 0.8 x sq.rt 0.3Adc = 0.438mm.

(6) Select wire size from table......

Try 0.45Cu dia , o/a dia including enamel = 0.516mm.

(7) Select T dimension of E&I wasteless laminations.

Try choosing T = 32mm.

(8) Read table for area for winding wire, Winding Area = 12mm x 44mm = 528 sq.mm.

Note. 32T core window L x H = 48mm x 16mm = 768sq.mm, but area for wire in bobbin

= 44mm x 12mm = 528sq.mm.

(9) Calculate Number of turns N = WA / oa dia squared, for coil without insulation layers.

N = 528sq.mm / ( 0.52mm x 0.52mm ) = 1,950 turns.

(10) Calculate Turn Length TL = Rw x 44,000 x Cu dia squared / N

where current density = 2A per sq.mm.

TL = 47r x 44,000 x 0.45mm x 0.45mm / 1,950t = 215mm.

(11)

= 0.5 x ( 216mm - [ 3.6 x 32mm ] ) = 51mm.

Is calculated S between 0.75T and 2T?

yes, we may proceed, S = 1.59 x T = 51mm.

NOTE. If S > 2T, consider choice of larger T.

If S < 0.5T, consider choice of smaller T, or larger wire diameter.

For a given wire size and maximum allowable Rw, there is an optimal Afe which gives the

most inductance. The ideal T : S ratio is between 1 : 1 to 1 : 2.

NOTE. Many people wanting to make a choke will already have some core material taken from

an old transformer. They will make a bobbin easily, and only need to purchase the right

size of wire. The stack height may be calculated over a wide range during some trial and

error calculations until a solution appears. Too small or too large a stack will become obvious.

If S is calculated at < 0.5T, a higher S may be used, and equal to T, but Rw will slightly increase.

Inductance is proportional to Afe, and a larger S gives more inductance. But if turn length

increases more than +50%, Rw rises 50%. A slightly larger wire size may be needed if Rw is

to be kept low with highest possible inductance and always without core saturation.

( If a new choice of T is made, go back to step (7) and re-calculate. )

(12)

where Bac = maximum ac magnetic field strength in Tesla,

22.6 and 10,000 are constants for all equations, V is applied Vac across choke.

Afe = Stack x Tongue and is sectional area of central leg of core,

F is the frequency of Vac, N is number of turns.

Bac = 22.6 x 240V x 10,000 / ( 51mm x 32mm x 100Hz x 1,952 ) = 0.17 Tesla.

(13) State allowed total maximum Bac + Bdc, medium grade silicon steel E+I core, = 1.2 Tesla.

(14) Calculate maximum allowable Bdc at Idc maximum = Total ( Bac + Bdc ) - Bac

= 1.2 - 0.17 = 1.03, say 1.0Tesla.

(15)

where µe = effective permeability with air gap and presence of Idc,

where Bdc in Tesla, 10,000 and 12.6 are constants for all equations,

Iron ML is the core magnetic path length without air gap, N is the number of turns,

Idc is in Amps DC.

ML for T = 32mm for wasteless pattern = 5.6 x T = 179mm.

µe = 1.0T x 10,000 x 179mm / ( 12.6 x 1,952t x 0.3A ) = 242.

(16)

where L in Henry, N is coil turns, Afe = S x T, µe is effective permeability with air gap and Idc,

1.26 and 1,000,000,000 are constants, ML is Iron magnetic path length in mm.

L = ( 1.26 x 1,952 x 1,952 x 51 x 32 x 242 ) / ( 1,000,000,000 x 179 ) = 10.6H.

(17) Calculate air gap and gap material thickness.

Note,

Where µe is effective permeability with air gap, µ is the maximum possible permeability

with E+I lams maximally interleaved, gap is the total "air gap" in mm consisting of a gap or gaps

filled with plastic sheeting within iron magnetic path, ML is the iron magnetic path length in mm.

If maximum possible µ = 1,000 for medium grade E+I lam material, when E are close butted to I

without air gap, then ag = 179mm x ( 1,000 - 242 ) / ( 242 x 1,000 ) = 0.56mm. There are 2 gaps in E+I,

Therefore Gap material = calculated gap / 2 = 0.28mm.

Note. The optimum gap size is uncertain, and the max µ for E+I when fully interleaved may be between 2,500 to

10,000. But with I butted close to E, there is an effective air gap, even where none exists, hence I found average

max µ is then about 1,000.

(18) Calculate inductance with Idc = 0.1 x maximum Idc.

L is proportional to µe. At low Idc, µe will be 1.5 times higher than for high Idc so L at low Idc is

1.5 times calculated L so far.

L at low Idc = 10.6H x 1.5 = 15.9H.

(19) Is there sufficient inductance at low Idc?

State wanted max L from step (3) = 15.7H.

Calculated max L value in step (18) is more than stated in Step (3) so choke design is OK.

(20) If winding wire choice was revised for a larger size, calculate new winding resistance,

Rw = N x TL / ( 44,000 x d x d ). This should be less than calculated maximum allowed Rw.

Could a core with T = 25mm be used?

Steps 1 to 20....

(1) RL max = 425 / 0.03 = 14.2k, RL min = 425 / 0.3 = 1.42k.

(2) Rw max = 1.4k / 30 = 47r.

(3) L max = 14.2k / 900 = 15.7H.

(4) L min = 1.4k / 900 = 1.57H.

(5) Cu d = 0.8 x sq.rt 0.3 = 0.438mm.

(6) Wire from size table will be 0.45Cu dia , o/a dia including enamel = 0.516mm.

(7) Select T = 25mm.

(8) WA = 33.5 x 8.5 = 285 sq.mm.

(9) N = 285 / ( 0.52 x 0.52 ) = 1,053 turns.

(10) TL = 47 x 44,000 x 0.45 x 0.45 / 1,053 = 397mm.

(11) S = 0.5 x ( 397mm - [ 3.6 x 25mm ] ) = 155mm.

Is S between 0.75T and 2T?

No, S = 6.2 x T so the core becomes too high, so use of 25T is not good.

Therefore return to step (7), try T = 38mm.

(8) WA = 53 x 15 = 795 sq.mm

(9) N = 795 / ( 0.52mm x 0.52mm ) = 2,940 turns.

(10) TL = 47r x 44,000 x 0.45mm x 0.45mm / 2,940 = 143mm.

(11) S = 0.5 x ( 143mm - [ 3.6 x 38mm ] ) = 6.2mm

Is S between 0.5T and 2T ?

No, S is much below 0.5T. Therefore try increasing S to equal T. TL will increase to 212mm,

Rw = 47r x 212mm / 143mm = 70r.

S = 38mm.

Proceed.......

(12) Bac = 22.6 x 240V x 10,000 / ( 38mm x 38mm x 100Hz x 2,940t ) = 0.127Tesla = low.

(13) Max Bac+Bdc medium grade silicon steel E&I core, = 1.2 Tesla.

(14) Allowable Bdc at Idc maximum = Total ( Bac + Bdc ) - Bac

= 1.2T - 0.127T = 1.07 Tesla.

(15) For T38, ML = 216mm. µe = ( 1.07T x 10,000 x 216mm ) / ( 12.6 x 2,940t x 0.3A ) = 210.

(16) L = ( 1.26 x 2,904t x 2,904t x 38mm x 38mm x 210 ) / ( 1,000,000,000 x 216mm ) = 15.7H.

(17) Air Gap = 216mm x ( 1,000 - 210 ) / ( 210 x 1,000 ) = 0.812mm.

Therefore use 0.406mm thick gap material across whole 114mm length of laminations.

(18) L at low Idc = 1.5 x calculated L so far = 1.5 x 15.7H = 23.6H.

(19) Is there sufficient inductance at low Idc?

Wanted max L previously stated at step (19) above = 15.7H.

Conclusion, Using larger T38mm size and with T = S gives more L than T32mm x S53,

so choke design is OK, although Rw has increased to 70r.

The heat in choke = Idc squared x Rw = 0.3A x 0.3A x 70r = 6.3W. The outside surface

area of T38mm x S38mm is about 1.4 x surface area of T32mm x S53mm which has heat

= 4.2W.

The rise in temperature should be < 10C because current density = 1.9A / sq.mm < 2A / sq.mm.

(20) Rw = N x TL / ( 44,000 x d x d )

Confirm Rw = 2,940t x 212mm / ( 44,000 x 0.45mm x 0.45mm ) = 69.95r. OK.

Is Rw = 70r OK for this PSU? The Vdc drop across Rw = 0.3Adc x 70r = 21Vdc, probably OK.

If the power supply becomes too heavy, consider making the PSU on a separate chassis and

the two 50W audio channels can be on another chassis which will be easier to move around

while ensuring there is less chance of noise from power supply reaching the amplifier output.

This is especially so with SE triode amps with little or no global NFB.

T Tongue mm |
S Stack mm |
N Turns |
Wire Cu dia mm |
Turn Length mm |
Rw ohms |
Bac, Tesla 240Vrms 100Hz |
Bdc, Tesla 0.27 Adc |
µe |
air gap mm |
ML Iron mag length mm |
L Henry at 0.27 Adc |
L Henry at 0.027 Adc |

32 |
6.3 |
2,390 |
0.4 |
128 |
43 |
1.12 |
0.08 |
17.6 |
10.0 |
179 |
1.1 |
1.7 |

32 |
12.5 |
2,390 |
0.4 |
140 |
47 |
0.56 |
0.64 |
140 |
1.2 |
179 |
2.2 |
3.3 |

32 |
25 |
2,390 |
0.4 |
165 |
56 |
0.28 |
0.92 |
201 |
0.83 |
179 |
6.3 |
9.4 |

32 |
32 |
1,950 |
0.45 |
180 |
39 |
0.22 |
0.98 |
262 |
0.62 |
179 |
7.2 |
10.8 |

32 |
38 |
1,950 |
0.45 |
191 |
42 |
0.18 |
1.02 |
272 |
0.60 |
179 |
8.9 |
13.5 |

32 |
51 |
1,950 |
0.45 |
215 |
47 |
0.14 |
1.06 |
283 |
0.57 |
179 |
12.4 |
18.6 |

32 |
64 |
1,950 |
0.45 |
243 |
53 |
0.11 |
1.09 |
291 |
0.56 |
179 |
16 |
24 |

Bac + Bdc allowed = 1.2 Tesla.

Where S < 0.8 x T, wire size 0.4mm gives Idc density = 2.15A / sq.mm. This is OK because

highest heat = 56r x 0.27A squared = 4.1W. In practice, having S < T may not have many

applications, but where a choke needs to have minimum height less than 3T or 2.5T on plan

area, the S may indeed be less than T. The available L for S = 6.3mm is very low, suggesting

B+ dc load is low, for low Vdc x 0.27Adc.

N for given Cu dia wire size = window winding area / oa dia of wire squared, ie,

N = ( [ window L - 4mm ] x [ window H - 4mm ] ) / ( oad x oad ).

For wasteless E&I only, TL = 2S + 3.6T, therefore S = 0.5TL - 1.8T.

The following have numbers in equations which are all constants....

Bdc allowable for given choke = Rated maximum total of ( Bac + Bdc ) - Bac calculated.

Rated maximum total of ( Bac + Bdc ) for very old low grade iron may be 0.9Tesla;

with some Si content but not grain oriented, 1.2Tesla;

and for GOSS perhaps 1.5Tesla.

L Henry at low Idc = 1.5 x L Henry at high Idc. Approximate !

NOTE. Where the stack height becomes very low, the Afe becomes so low the Bac

becomes very high. The Bdc is limited to the difference between maximum total B and Bac.

Bdc is proportional to µe so the gap must be increased reduce the dc magnetization. In the

above case where S = 6.3mm, µe has dropped to 17.6 by use of a 10mm air gap.

Regardless of stack height, if the Vac applied is high enough and frequency low enough, Bac

could be quite high with a high stack of laminations, and Bdc would still have to limited by

reducing µe by widening the air gap.

But consider the equation for an iron cored inductor in Fig 5 table above with T = 32, S = 51,

µe = 283, Iron ML = 179mm, and N = 1,950t.

Inductance = 1.26 x 1,950 squared x 32mm x 51mm x 283 / ( 1,000,000,000 x 179 ) = 12.4H.

µe = 238 and air gap = 0.57mm, and we have assumed maximum possible µ = 3,000.

The equation above for L could be reduced to L = 7.82 x µe / ML. = 7.82 x 283 / 179mm = 10.4H,

So µe / ML = 1.58.

If the lams were maximally interleaved with no gap, L = 7.82 x 3,000 / 179, and µ / ML = 16.7,

so L = 131H.

The air gap effectively lengthens the iron path length from 179mm to 1,891mm. The air gap

is only 0.57mm, and gap has magnetic length = 0.57mm x 3,000 = 1,710mm. If ML 179mm is added,

we get 1,710mm + 179mm = 1,889mm, almost exactly 1,891mm, which illustrates that the magnetic

path length is effectively 179mm of iron plus 0.57mm of air which sums to being the same as an iron

core with maximum interleaving and ML 1,889mm. This suggests a very strange pattern of E+I

laminations which would have a window size = H16mm x L928mm.

The air gap works better than having some weird iron shape.

If the I were removed away from the E of this sample choke the Iron ML would reduce to

138mm, and the "gap" would be the distance from centre of 3 legs of the E, roughly 32mm.

The ML total path L becomes [ ( 32 x 3,000 ) + 138 ], and µ / ML = 3,000 / 96,138.

Or it can be expressed as µe / ML = 4.3 / 138, because we consider the wide gap has reduced

µ to µe = 4.3. Inductance of the choke would be 0.188H. In practice if you add a bar core made of

laminations the increase of inductance above the air cored coil is about 4 times. This can be very

useful where we wish to make a low loss bass speaker crossover coil with low Rw.

A given air core coil of 2.5mH may be raised to 10mH with a bar core of about the same length

as the winding. This can also be useful where a choke is wanted for CLC low voltage DC supply.

The E&I lams are better, but it is possible to use a bar core solenoid.

As far as I know, the equations I have used from text books to make up my above table become

unreliable once the air gap exceeds 0.2 x width of the iron - due to fringing and path length shape.

The calculation of an air cored inductor involves Wheeler's Formula or something invented elsewhere.

There are at least several online calculators for air cored inductances. I have never ever seen an online

calculator for Hanna's method spelled out in RDH4, or any other program offered for filter choke design.

I think it would be quite easy to prepare step by step choke design program using Hanna's Method.

My own program seems to work OK though.

The inductance equation for iron cored L cannot be simply adapted for air cored coils or solenoid coils.

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